Hawt
Dear Mr. Flores,
You must be confusing my letter with some other letter (or you can't read very well). I never equated "statistical health risks" with "subhumanity."
As far as obesity goes, many if not all doctors look upon it as something to be avoided, a condition to be treated. They know it is unhealthy and that it directly and indirectly is costing this society millions and millions of dollars annually. They issue health warnings about it. But the activity responsible for obesity, eating, is NOT immoral. It is natural, necessary.
Regarding homosexual activity, thinking people have known for centuries that it is physiologically unnatural (even if psychologically natural) and that it is immoral. It is also totally unnecessary. We don't need it for anything. And there are health risks associated with it.
Too, for decades, until it was taken over by pro-homosexual ideologies, the American Psychiatric Association considered homosexuality to be what it clearly is: a disorder. Just like a male mind in a female body is considered to be a problem it is OK to fix (as via sex-reassignment surgery), so a homosexual mind in a heterosexual body - in a body clearly made for male/female sex - is a problem, a disorder.
The major arguments homosexuals use to try to justify homosexual activity are seriously flawed. For example, there are other "consenting adults who aren't hurting anybody" who would like their "rights" (e.g., exhibitionists, incestuous people, etc.). Homosexual activity clearly sets a bad legal precedent. I don't see homosexuals demanding these other sexually aberrant and immoral people get their "rights." It is evidently fine with homosexuals if exhibitionists, for example, are "discriminated against."
Wayne Lela
Woodridge, Ill.
There are many ways I could have answered him back, as he makes some downright baffling statements, starting with the insinuation that I can't read. I'll put that issue to rest right here and now. I can totally read. In kindergarten, I used to go to the principal's office and read to him, and I got pencils. I used to read to my brother in the bookstore when I was five, and a bunch of other little kids would gather, enthralled by the sound of my voice. I can read like a motherfucker and a half.
Going back to his letter, though, I thought it was weird that he thinks sex-reassignment surgery is acceptable and necessary, but he draws the line at gay. Not that I have any problem with sex-reassignment, but I always thought it was kind of on the extreme end of alternative sexualities. It's like being okay with lions but thinking that kittens are abominations. I also can't stand the "slippery slope" argument that so many homophobes are intent on using. If we legalize gay marriage, eventually we'll have to legalize rape and/or terrorism! It's absurd. You can't sacrifice one group of people to protect another. No one told women that they couldn't vote because "if we give women equal rights, eventually everyone's going to want them. Where will it stop? With a dog in the White House? It's madness, I tell you." Actually, someone probably said that. But the point is, society didn't listen to them.
You can also get a peek into his major strategy with his example of the APA being "taken over by pro-homosexual ideologies." He desperately wants to be the last defender of common decency, a moral crusader in a world overrun by sin, an honest man mocked by ignorant fools. He wants to be a hero. By using sarcasm in my first letter, I let myself be the smug villain to his beleaguered hero. After googling him, I made sure to avoid the same mistake in my second letter, which was published a few days later. This means that I officially had the last word. Suck it, Wayne.
I would like to clarify my previous letter, which suffered from a poor choice of analogies and a few too many concessions given for the sake of debate. Morality aside, the bottom line is that the originally posited argument, that homosexuality is expensive because it causes an increased risk of STI's, is logically invalid. A man does not catch HIV because he has sex with another man. He catches HIV because he has sex with another man and does not use proper protection. Therefore, it is not homosexuality that is costing society money, but unsafe sex, a problem which plagues many populations besides the homosexual one. The economic argument is therefore baseless, and insultingly, obviously wrong.
My original point was merely to point out this absurdity, and I got caught up in a debate on the morality of homosexuality, a debate which cannot be won through a series of letters between two individuals. Rather than pull out the same tired arguments about the frequency of homosexuality in the animal kingdom or about the modern acceptance of recreational sex as opposed to the purely procreational, I would instead exhort the reader to do some research of his own and formulate his own opinion on the matter. The best method I can suggest is to get to know a gay person and decide if he or she is an aberration or if the deep, abiding love you see between two same-sex partners is degenerate.
For my final thought, I will return to my point about the difference between unsafe sex and homosexuality. We can "fix" unsafe sex. We cannot "fix" homosexuality. We can ask people to stop doing what they are doing. We cannot ask them to stop being who they are.
As far as obesity goes, many if not all doctors look upon it as something to be avoided, a condition to be treated. They know it is unhealthy and that it directly and indirectly is costing this society millions and millions of dollars annually. They issue health warnings about it. But the activity responsible for obesity, eating, is NOT immoral. It is natural, necessary.
Regarding homosexual activity, thinking people have known for centuries that it is physiologically unnatural (even if psychologically natural) and that it is immoral. It is also totally unnecessary. We don't need it for anything. And there are health risks associated with it.
Too, for decades, until it was taken over by pro-homosexual ideologies, the American Psychiatric Association considered homosexuality to be what it clearly is: a disorder. Just like a male mind in a female body is considered to be a problem it is OK to fix (as via sex-reassignment surgery), so a homosexual mind in a heterosexual body - in a body clearly made for male/female sex - is a problem, a disorder.
The major arguments homosexuals use to try to justify homosexual activity are seriously flawed. For example, there are other "consenting adults who aren't hurting anybody" who would like their "rights" (e.g., exhibitionists, incestuous people, etc.). Homosexual activity clearly sets a bad legal precedent. I don't see homosexuals demanding these other sexually aberrant and immoral people get their "rights." It is evidently fine with homosexuals if exhibitionists, for example, are "discriminated against."
Wayne Lela
Woodridge, Ill.
There are many ways I could have answered him back, as he makes some downright baffling statements, starting with the insinuation that I can't read. I'll put that issue to rest right here and now. I can totally read. In kindergarten, I used to go to the principal's office and read to him, and I got pencils. I used to read to my brother in the bookstore when I was five, and a bunch of other little kids would gather, enthralled by the sound of my voice. I can read like a motherfucker and a half.
Going back to his letter, though, I thought it was weird that he thinks sex-reassignment surgery is acceptable and necessary, but he draws the line at gay. Not that I have any problem with sex-reassignment, but I always thought it was kind of on the extreme end of alternative sexualities. It's like being okay with lions but thinking that kittens are abominations. I also can't stand the "slippery slope" argument that so many homophobes are intent on using. If we legalize gay marriage, eventually we'll have to legalize rape and/or terrorism! It's absurd. You can't sacrifice one group of people to protect another. No one told women that they couldn't vote because "if we give women equal rights, eventually everyone's going to want them. Where will it stop? With a dog in the White House? It's madness, I tell you." Actually, someone probably said that. But the point is, society didn't listen to them.
You can also get a peek into his major strategy with his example of the APA being "taken over by pro-homosexual ideologies." He desperately wants to be the last defender of common decency, a moral crusader in a world overrun by sin, an honest man mocked by ignorant fools. He wants to be a hero. By using sarcasm in my first letter, I let myself be the smug villain to his beleaguered hero. After googling him, I made sure to avoid the same mistake in my second letter, which was published a few days later. This means that I officially had the last word. Suck it, Wayne.
I would like to clarify my previous letter, which suffered from a poor choice of analogies and a few too many concessions given for the sake of debate. Morality aside, the bottom line is that the originally posited argument, that homosexuality is expensive because it causes an increased risk of STI's, is logically invalid. A man does not catch HIV because he has sex with another man. He catches HIV because he has sex with another man and does not use proper protection. Therefore, it is not homosexuality that is costing society money, but unsafe sex, a problem which plagues many populations besides the homosexual one. The economic argument is therefore baseless, and insultingly, obviously wrong.
My original point was merely to point out this absurdity, and I got caught up in a debate on the morality of homosexuality, a debate which cannot be won through a series of letters between two individuals. Rather than pull out the same tired arguments about the frequency of homosexuality in the animal kingdom or about the modern acceptance of recreational sex as opposed to the purely procreational, I would instead exhort the reader to do some research of his own and formulate his own opinion on the matter. The best method I can suggest is to get to know a gay person and decide if he or she is an aberration or if the deep, abiding love you see between two same-sex partners is degenerate.
For my final thought, I will return to my point about the difference between unsafe sex and homosexuality. We can "fix" unsafe sex. We cannot "fix" homosexuality. We can ask people to stop doing what they are doing. We cannot ask them to stop being who they are.
Joe Flores
Junior, College of Pharmacy, Nursing, and Health Sciences
And that, if there's any sense in the universe, is the end of that.
And that, if there's any sense in the universe, is the end of that.
Game, set, and match. I have shouted a victory fanfare into the night in your honor, good sir.
ReplyDeleteI don't see how he can talk himself around that one. Is he ignoring the HIV cases in heterosexual individuals on purpose, or because he's an idiot? Or both? Does he not realize that HIV has spread so rapidly throughout the homosexual community because dudes can't impregnate other dudes, so using a condom in the sex-torn decades of the past was an unnecessary inconvenience? Is he just an ass?
ReplyDeleteEither way, way to stick it to the man. Or at least that one.
I also hate to point out that you probably went to the principal's office. To my knowledge many schools have yet to implement a "principles office", although the two probably do go hand in hand, and having a separate "office of principles" might be just the thing education needs.
ReplyDeleteWhat are you talking about, Tim? I don't see any spelling errors. You must be crazy. That's it. Tim's crazy, everybody.
ReplyDeleteCrazy like a guy who knows how to cover his ass: Boo Yah!
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